That’s how you do it. Peace through strength.
We NEED someone like him!
Peace through superior firepower.
I’m curious. Were you guys happy with Bush-Cheney?
Obama took out Osama bin Laden — something his war-mongering predecessors failed to do — and he’s knocked off much of the al-Qaeda leadership.
He played a key role in facilitating the elimination of Quaddafi, something Reagan never did.
He’s worked hard to boost benefits for veterans, who were treated shabbily under the previous adminstration.
What is it about Obama that you so detest? Surely it isn’t the results of his policies.
I’ll take a stab at this.
I can’t say I agreed with everything Bush ever did (No Child Left Behind, Bank Bailouts, etc) but when it came to the war on terror I thought he did an honorable job considering the position he was thrown in (not inherited). I don’t really regret us taking out Saddam either despite there not being any weapons of mass destruction. Its not warmongering to offensively take out threats to our country if evidence pointed us there. I was also for enhanced interrogation to root out all the terrorists scumbags.
Speaking of which, yes Obama was able to put the hit on Osama…thanks to enhanced interrogation. I do applaud him for doing so…although I personally wouldn’t have taken half as long to pull the figurative trigger. I could say more but I’ll leave it at that. I’ll actually give him this moment to gloat…
Obama had nothing to do with the death of Muammar Gaddafi. Nothing. You need to read up on the Battle of Tripoli. You’ll notice Obama’s name doesn’t appear anywhere in there. But since we’re talking about it, I do believe Obama has been totally wrong about the Arab Spring and we made a mistake handing over so much power to the Muslim Brotherhood who will most likely be as bad, if not worse, than the old crony dictators that were in power.
I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about regarding veteran benefits except that when Obama gutted defense spending he vowed not to cut veteran’s benefits…unless your talking about the benefits he passed back in ‘09? Either way, he also cut active and retired military healthcare benefits this year…but left the defense bureaucrats benefits untouched. I don’t know what you mean by Bush treated them “shabbily” considering he also raised benefits for veterans (unless you can provide a legitimate link with facts.)
I think you pinpointed why a good majority of the country (including Democrats) don’t like Obama…the results from his policies. I was going to go on a huge tirade on all the screw-ups and poor socialist decisions he’s made in his short first term but I’ll just say 42 months of 8%+ unemployment, $16 Trillion in debt ($6T of which he is directly responsible for, not Bush), 2 drops in our credit ratings, and more deaths of our troops overseas than Bush. I’ll just leave you with this video (don’t worry it’s actually really well-done) that points out a ton of Obama’s problems using nothing but his own words as proof:
If you want more proof, you should watch another really good movie called I Want Your Money; it’s a bit older but still hits home on why Obama’s policies have not worked and will never work. You can watch it on Netflix Instant also.
First, Red Blood, let me thank you for keeping your cool and not getting pissed off because I’m a liberal. I’ll try to maintain the same tone of respect here.
There’s much in your post that I disagree with, but let’s start with the issue of who treats veterans better, Obama or Bush/Romney. (Let’s face it, there’s no meaningful distinction between the two.)
A new poll from Reuters/IPSOS shows that veterans themselves prefer Obama over Romney, whose policy advisers come straight from the Bush administration, by a startling 7 percent. That’s the first time in my lifetime that I can remember veterans backing a Democratic presidential candidate over a Republican.
If Obama weren’t doing something right by veterans, why would a majority support him?
I’m assuming that’s something you and I can agree on: Veterans aren’t stupid.
The boost in veterans benefits under Dubya came over his objections. It only passed after a handful of Senate Republicans took the rare step of crossing the aisle to support the pro-veteran Democrats, including then-Sen. Barack Obama. You can read about that here.
This week came an even more egregious example of Bush/Romney Republicans treating veterans like dirt. Forty senators, drunk on spiked Tea, killed president Obama’s $1 billion veterans’ jobs bill. Fifty-eight Senators, including all the Democrats, supported it.
As for Saddam, I shed no tears for the bastard. But that doesn’t mean the war against him was a good idea.
Bush/Cheney were hell-bent on getting Saddam, and they made up a bunch of lies to do it. There were no weapons of mass destruction. And Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
I can’t imagine anything more repugnant then sending soldiers into battle on the basis of a lie.
p.s. Didn’t it piss you off that Romney had absolutely nothing to say about veterans, soldiers or the war in Afghanistan during his convention speech?
I don’t think Bush and Cheney were “hellbent” on invading Iraq, but based on the best evidence presented that they were hiding nuclear/biological weapons and Saddam’s refusal to let UN inspectors in certain areas, it was our country’s call to invade. You seem to forget that it was Bill Clinton who got this ball rolling with the Iraq Liberation Act, and Bush just pulled the trigger using that same policy. The problem with the whole war was that we stayed there and tried to clean up…for almost a decade now.
I already wrote about that very stupid Veterans bill that was shot down by Republicans in the Senate. You can read my opinion here. Basically this was another bogus “shovel ready” idea cooked up by the Democrats using the Veterans as a political tool. I almost would bet money that the Democrats knew the Republicans would all vote “no” on the bill anyway and they were using it for more bad press that the GOP is just blocking Obama’s progress. It seems pretty legit considering socialists like the New York Slimes and Jon Stewart jumped all over this story blaming Republicans. Republicans have never treated Veterans or our military like dirt, that is just a flat out lie.
I want to agree with you that Veterans are smart but we both know a lot of them are just as dumb as everyone else. They’re individuals like you and I and sadly some of them are misinformed as the next person. I personally know a lot of veterans and most of them are very vocal about their politics…and they all HATE Obama and post more crap about him on Facebook than my closer political friends. The ones I usually disagree with politically are mainly Ron Paul supporters, not Obama supporters. I’m out of the poll game too, none of them have been very accurate, so I just stopped looking at them…especially online ones.
P.S. I really was disappointed with Romney and Obama’s speeches at the conventions, but that’s probably because I think they’re just a pointless formality anyway (although I loved Paul Ryan’s speech). I’m pretty sure Romney didn’t mention the war, Veterans or any of the soldiers because he is more worried about our economic and unemployment crisis right now at home. That effects everybody, not just individuals like Veterans or women. Paul Ryan didn’t mention them either; but Obama made sure to talk about ending the wars (not about the new ones he’s currently engaging in of course) and gays in the military. But, that’s to be expected. Don’t forget also, that Romney and Republicans have been strong advocates of the absentee voting for active military.
Do you mind if I call you that? For the purposes of this discussion, you can call me Blue.
By your logic, the Democrats are bad if they vote to help veterans and they’re bad if they don’t. They can’t win. Can they?
You didn’t mention this week’s vote. Did you think it was a bad idea to set up a veterans’ job corps?
Romney-Ryan view the returning veterans as members of the 47 percent — a bunch of whining moochers. Obama wants to give them a job and some respect.
As for the Iraq war, it was quite clear at the time that the evidence of WMD was thin to non-existent. The UN weapons inspectors said so beforehand, and they were vindicated after the fact. (I apologize for mentioning the UN. I didn’t mean to make you apoplectic.)Numerous U.S.-led investigations later showed that the intelligence used to justify the war was flimsy and unreliable.
Before settling on the Weapons of Mass Destruction pretext, Bush and Cheney had trotted out about a dozen others. And if that one hadn’t taken, they would have cooked up 15 more. Nothing was going to stop them.
That’s a nice picture you posted of George W. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, and I’m sure the hugs he offered were heartfelt.
But that doesn’t change the fact that he sent those troops into a misguided war on the flimsiest of pretexts. And it doesn’t change the fact that so many of them came home with brain injuries and no limbs.
My brother served in Iraq. I’m happy to report that he returned home safe and sound. I wish the same could be said for everyone.
In closing, Red, I’m happy to report that we do agree on one thing: The war went on too long.
The so-called reconstruction of Iraq was one of the biggest taxpayer boondoggles in history, overseen by the administration that marched us into the greatest financial crash since the Great Depression.
Dick Cheney’s pals at Halliburton left the country in shambles but came home with dollar bills spilling from their pockets.
Best regards, Red
p.s. If you get to call Jon Stewart a socialist, can I call Bill O’Reilly a fascist?
p.p.s. The Democrats are also strong advocates for absentee voting for the military. The Republicans, on the other hand, are trying hard to disenfranchise people who might vote against them.
See, this is where we’re going to have a fundamental disagreement on the roll of government. Barack may say he wants to give veterans a job, but in reality he really can’t. The only real jobs the President can “give” are ones in the government, and he can’t do that without money from the real job makers…the private industry. You can’t just create the need for more cops and firefighters, and it isn’t the Federal Government’s roll to tell fire departments to hire someone just because they’re a veteran. Local and state governments really fund these things. Also, who’s to say veterans want to be cops and firefighters or bureaucrats? Maybe they want to be a teacher or an oil worker. The problem is that Obama’s policies are causing more economic uncertainty and steady unemployment…so throwing a billion dollars into more “shovel ready” programs isn’t going to help anyone. How bout freeing up some of the offshore drilling or opening up the keystone pipeline which require jobs? Just a thought.
No, I don’t think it’s a damned if you do or damned if you don’t thing for Democrats proposing bills; but they seem to keep spending money on stupid things that they MUST know we don’t have? FDR never fixed the Great Depression by throwing a bunch of money into programs; it made things worse. It took a reboot of capitalism and removal of government regulation to pull us out of the depression. The very same thing is going on today. It’s not the Democrats submitting the bills that is the bad thing, it is the bills themselves. They’re terrible and they haven’t worked.
Romney and Ryan do not think Veterans are whiny moochers. That just not true and you know it.
I’m glad your brother came back in one piece from the war but I’m not ready to say he served for no reason. Yes, we agree that we attacked on the best educated guess we had based on the best intel we had…and we were wrong. Could we have been right? Possibly. I think the first part of the war was a success but around the 3rd or 4th month I started to question what was going on. We should have pulled out, agreed. However, that did not cause our economic woes; I’m not sure where that myth was cooked up. Did you forget about the housing crisis? Also, that can’t be true considering 70% of government spending goes to 47 different government dependency programs. Even Obama’s budget shows a breakdown of where the military spending is compared to dependency programs; they’re unsustainable and going to cripple our country when they collapse.
P.S.: Jon Leibowitz is a socialist. I don’t care what you call Bill O’Reilly. I don’t watch his show.
P.S.S: I was referring to this.